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Title: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on August 04, 2021, 11:41:51 AM
I am really very enthusiastic about the program and just miss the opportunity to walk the ascendant in years through the houses instead of the signs. I am referring to the Munich rhythm theory, where the ascendant walks through each house for 7 years in both directions. It is a very accurate method, but a little complicated in detail.
Excuse my bad English.
Here are two links in English that describes the method.

https://archaeus.art/2005/09/30/the-horoscope-in-the-light-of-the-seven-rhythm-example-the-kennedy-clan/

https://www.astro.com/astrowiki/de/M%C3%BCnchner_Rhythmenlehre
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: ABer on August 04, 2021, 07:59:24 PM
Hi Volker - thanks for using the forum. I seem to remember that we had a similar request to this, but I'm not sure what happened to the idea. I think Jean did the work if it was implemented. I think this would be easy to do from a coding point of view anyway. I am aware of this system but I'm not very familiar with Wolfgang Doebereiner's techniques. Is it worth thinking about a full module using his ideas.

By the way, your English is excellent.

All the best. Ed

Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: Jean on August 05, 2021, 07:38:23 AM
there is already various - huber and various - hankar, did you see?
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on August 07, 2021, 06:46:56 AM
I looked at the Huber module. Basically, half the work is already done. I would like a method-independent module where you have such lists for both directions and where you can freely choose the time factor. So you can try several methods. What would be useful is the display of the trigger point in the horoscope and the display of the respective age in the list.
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: ABer on August 07, 2021, 01:02:00 PM
Hi Volker - I am doing you a test module, based on Jean's Huber.ab. We can work towards what you are suggesting. I will send you a beta version. Ed
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: Jean on August 07, 2021, 01:46:33 PM
Thanks Ed. I feel quite lazy myself but i think this could be a good addition.
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: ABer on August 12, 2021, 08:08:00 PM
Hi Volker - I'm working on this in the background. Is the backwards motion from the time of birth in to the pre-birth period (like a modern converse direction), or is the backwards motion just through the zodiac but forwards from the birth time. I'm not sure if that's too clear. Let me know if you want me to try and explain in more detail. Ed
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: Jean on August 12, 2021, 08:15:19 PM
@volker, Is it the term "Münchner Ryhmenlehre" that is protected or the method? How do you know?
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on August 13, 2021, 07:15:19 AM
From the time of birth, only once left around the zodiac from the ascendant (inner rhythm) and then right around (outer rhythm).Huber-school uses the left, the others the right or both. The right describes what comes into your life from the 4th quadrant, the left how you react to it physically ( 1st Q.) and mentally 2nd Q.). Here is a drawing: https://www.astro.com/astrowiki/de/Datei:RegendoerpMRL.gif
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on August 13, 2021, 07:15:48 AM
The method is certainly free, it was developed by Frank Glahn at that time (80 years ago) and Doebereiner and Huber only adopted it. Almost all astro programs from Germany and Switzerland offer this method. But I think the terms are protected: "Münchner Rhythmenlehre, Huber Alterspunkt, Phänomenrhythmus, Weg der Aphrodite, Fügungsrhythmus, APL- Pyramidenen-Rhythmus" ... you have to be careful. Today everyone likes to sue everyone.
Here is a quote from Astrowiki: "Glahn, who studied English-language theosophical astrology extensively, adopted the seven-year period for the signs of the zodiac (7 years per sign of the zodiac) in his system of the circle of life. Engelhardt, the naturopath, who conducted courses on the Glahn method and also sent teaching letters, recommended using the seven-year period in addition to the Glahn period of 8.33 years per house (also based on the ascendant for seven years per house, houses according to Placidus) Rhythmisation) was taken up in Germany in the 1950s by Wolfgang Döbereiner's theory of rhythm in Munich and at the end of the 60s by the Huber School, which allows an age point to wander from the ascendant through the first house system. "
Source: https://www.astro.com/astrowiki/de/Frank_Glahn
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: Jean on August 13, 2021, 07:50:55 AM
I had a look at their homepage, they certainly are not afraid to ask money for everything.
I did not see some explicit statement about copyright so as far as i'm concerned i don't see the need for disguise.

Btw the other method is not hankar as i mentioned, but various - at mann lifecycles, it similar to huber.
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on September 27, 2021, 12:23:41 PM
Just out of curiosity.
Is there any progress or problems ?
I hope there is further interest in the module development.
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: Jean on September 27, 2021, 05:06:37 PM
Well i was hoping Ed would take it on, he said something like that..
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: ABer on September 28, 2021, 11:09:43 AM
Hi Volker and Jean - I haven't forgotten about this project. I'm just rather busy at the moment. As soon as I can get back to it I will. Ed
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on September 30, 2021, 07:30:22 AM
I looked at the Hubermodel again and discovered a mistake.
(http://)

Thanks.
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: Jean on September 30, 2021, 08:11:36 AM
Mistake?
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on September 30, 2021, 10:11:19 AM
With Huber it is 6 years per house. 2nd house 6 years, 3rd house 12 years...
The year wheel is only correct at AC ,IC, DC and MC.
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: ABer on September 30, 2021, 11:37:04 AM
Thanks for the suggestion Volker, that's very helpful. Ed
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: Jean on September 30, 2021, 11:44:46 AM
sorry i'm doing 6 years / house, i wouldn't know what i'm doing wrong, and besides i don't feel much like work at the moment.
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: ABer on September 30, 2021, 11:48:07 AM
Hi Jean and Volker - this is where I'm up to. I just need to add the chart. See screenshot. Ed
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: Jean on September 30, 2021, 12:51:48 PM
Cool Ed!
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on September 30, 2021, 01:06:31 PM
Sorry Jean, my mistake :-[
I had forgotten to switch to Koch houses during the test.
With the Huber module, everything is fine.
Sorry.

And Ed,
Are both directions calculated, as in my suggestion ?
Could you also add the respective age ?
That would be very useful.

Can you give me some information about novenary and quinary ?
Thanks.
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: ABer on October 02, 2021, 06:50:42 PM
Hi Volker - see the latest screenshot. The novenary is 9 years per house and the quinary is 5 years per house.

I will include the reverse direction too.

Ed
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: Jean on October 02, 2021, 08:34:54 PM
I would like the script to remain with the name Huber in it, otherwise people might think the module is gone. Maybe 'Huber etc', or something else, what do you think?
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on October 23, 2021, 11:30:06 AM
Hello Ed, here is my suggestion for the help text:

The „Rhythmenlehre“ goes back to the german astrologer A. Frank Glahn (1865-1941).

He let the AC run clockwise through the horoscope in 100 years (maximum life span at that time). So 25 years per quadrant and 8 1/3 years per house. At the same time, he let ran the AC counterclockwise in 25 years per house. In 1928 he and his colleague Rudolf Engelhardt introduced the 7 year per house rhythm, which ran clockwise through the horoscope. He used the placidus-house system.

Professor Dr Schneider from Vienne published 1932 his system of the 6 year rhythm in a counterclockwise direction.

Further information in the textbook by Gertrud I. Hürlimann. Read here: https://www.astro.com/astrologie/hue150103_g.htm

The Huber School also works counterclockwise whith 6 years, but with koch-houses. Planetdance has a special module under: Horoskope-Various-Huber.

1953 Wolfgang Doebereiner from Munich published his extensive system of "Münchner Rhythmenlehre" with 7 year rhythm in clockwise direction, with placidus-houses, for the main rhythm.

 Further information here: https://www.doebereiner.com and here: https://archaeus.art/2005/09/30/the-horoscope-in-the-light-of-the-seven-rhythm-example-the-kennedy-clan/

Another system that uses the 7-year cycle (but counterclockwise) was developed in 1963 by Professor Boris Christoff from Uruguay and is called ProLuna. At Planetdance under: Horoskope-Various-Proluna.

More information here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW9cW83_zEU

Then there are the "Phyramiden-Rhythmen" from the AstroPolarity School in Berlin.

Further information here: https://www.astropolarity.de/
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on November 03, 2021, 11:38:59 AM
I watched some videos and websites (thanks to Google translator) to understand the differences and similarities between ProLuna and "Münchner Rhythmenlehre".
Here is an interesting article: https://www.universonuevaera.com/web/articulos/cristoff_proluna_ventajas.html
The option of offering years / months / days per house is therefore not only useful for the "Münchner Rhythmenlehre".
And the simultaneous view of the left and right rhythm may also be an inspiration for the other two methods.
I would be really happy if this Huber-Proluna-FreeRhythm module were to succeed.
I hope it works.
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: Jean on November 03, 2021, 11:54:54 AM
There's someone on the facebook group who has worked a lot with proluna and is having trouble with the implementation. I looked at it and indeed it's almost the same code as huber, only this has 84 year cycle and divides by 7.
Ed seems to be busy at the moment.
As name i would propose something like 'Huber, Proluna, etc.'
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on November 03, 2021, 12:45:59 PM
Yes, it's all the same. The only difference is the time per house, the housesystem and the direction.

That's why you could combine it into one module, as Ed has already started to do.
In each case the main rhythms, thus Huber 6 years, Proluna 7 years,  and a free input of the time unit (for all secondary rhythms), house system and a parallel table (left/right rhythm) with the release times and age.
With this, everyone should be satisfied. I hope so.

Yes, name it Huber-ProLuna-FreeRhythm

There were 881 clicks. I interpret that at least as interest. But I would also be interested in what the readers think about it.
 
(Sorry I'm not on Facebook, do not want it either).

Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on November 04, 2021, 08:20:55 AM
I have thought of a simpler solution. See the graphic.
Preset:
1st Huber- 6years, counterclockwise, Koch houses, direct and aspect triggers.
2. proLuna- 7years, counterclockwise, Placidus, direct and aspect triggers.
3. free time selection - counterclockwise, Placidus, direct and aspect triggers.
Then for extra selection:
1. clockwise direction
2. house triggers in the table in addition to direct and aspect triggers.
 Then when you press start, the table, the trigger scale, the age point and the year circle is displayed.
So there is no confusion for the Huber and ProLuna users (everything remains the same for them) and the users of other methods have the free choice.
So everybody would have what he needs and one needs only one module.
What do you think ?


Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: Jean on November 04, 2021, 08:44:54 AM
I will leave it up to Ed as he has had the original idea of combining them. Just wait till he shows up again.
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: volker on November 05, 2021, 11:56:41 AM
I looked again at Proluna. I think I now understand the problem of the person on Facebook.
"...pero pero a la hora de hacer Retorno Solar sigue tomando Años y No meses!"

This is probably about RESONA. You take a solar horoscope and let the ascendant run with 30 days per house, as 1 year for the entire cycle.

The Proluna system (7 years per house) also includes 3 other sub-rhythms. Here is another link: https://spinelli-astrologo.blogspot.com/2018/08/sistema-proluna-de-astrologia-nro-4.html

I have learned, Proluna is as common in South America as Huber in Switzerland and MRL in Germany.

So with the new module with free choice of time, Proluna users could use the entire system.

Unfortunately, I found in the proluna module that if I use a different house system, nothing changes during the triggering. The annual ring when you press Draw is also the same as with placidus.
Title: Re: Münchner Rythmenlehre
Post by: Jean on November 05, 2021, 12:35:02 PM
i fixed the housesystem issue, for the rest it's waiting for Ed to come alive again. :)