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Title: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Sindy on September 18, 2021, 01:47:12 PM
Hi Jean, Ed, and everyone else!

I've been enjoying the Venus Star Point module very much. Is there any possibility of making it work without setting a house system? This would be great for working with untimed charts. At the moment, when choosing Housesystem / None, the star's points are displayed in the wrong signs, although they are listed with their right placements in the list at the right top corner.

The author of "Venus Star Rising: A New Cosmology for the 21st Century," Arielle Guttman, gives an exception on page 79 for finding the personal VSP. She says if one is born within a week before the inception of the new VSP (she speaks of a week to ten days in her course), the person's VSP is the one after birth and not the one before birth as the primary rule goes, although, in the book, she says that both VSP's influence the individual. Is it possible to incorporate this exception rule in the module? Maybe as an additional feature that can be chosen (or not if one doesn't want to go by the rule in Arielle's book)?

P.S. Have the features of this forum changed? I couldn't find a way to attach an example chart here anymore.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 18, 2021, 02:58:21 PM
Hi Sindy,
First things first, we disabled uploading images after that hack lately, however i miss it dearly myself and have enabled it again.
My test with no houses had no errors as far as i can see, see pic.

I added a checkbox 'After birth' in the top right to start 1 conjunction later, can you check if this works for you?
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Sindy on September 19, 2021, 12:09:21 AM
Hi Jean,

Thanks for the swift reply! On my PC, it's still the same after the update. The signs the VSP's fall in do not match their positions.

The 'After birth' checkbox works perfectly, but weird conjunctions are displayed in the list after the new calculation.

See pictures below.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 19, 2021, 08:03:27 AM
I used the same data from helsinki but I can't reproduce the first error, didn't look at the aspects yet. This is a mystery so far, hopefully something comes up..
I asked Ed to test, works for him too.

I hjave been looking for that aspect issue but can't find anything either, maybe it's related.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: ABer on September 19, 2021, 11:03:03 AM
Hi Jean - I think what Sindy means that list of aspects to the 5 star points is not correct. For example in the second chart above, the Sun is listed conjuncted the e point, but it is shown in the wheel most closely to the c point. Ed
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: ABer on September 19, 2021, 11:08:34 AM
Hi Jean - I think the most likely explanation for this is that Sindy is not using houses Jean, so the points are oriented to 0 Aries rather than the ascendant. As far as I can see, the actual points are calculated correctly in longitude, it's the orientation within the wheel display that is not right. Ed
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 19, 2021, 11:11:20 AM
How come it works for us Ed??
I have an idea, maybe ascendant is calculated wrong because of No Houses and classic planets only.
Edit: no that makes no difference here.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: ABer on September 19, 2021, 11:13:34 AM
That's right Jean - see my post above yours. Ed
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 19, 2021, 11:18:36 AM
Ed, you didn't explain why it works for us.
Two identical horoscopes, one with placidus, another no houses, give exactly the same venus points, albeit with different asc, but otherwise equal.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: ABer on September 19, 2021, 11:21:56 AM
Hi Jean - I don't know - the most likely explanation in my view is the no houses option. I couldn't test it because I couldn't get my wheel to show no houses. Ed
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 19, 2021, 11:30:49 AM
You couldn't get a wheel to show no houses??
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: ABer on September 19, 2021, 11:53:24 AM
Hi Jean - I found it now - choose None from house list menu. This seems to be the problem. See screenshot. You will notice the VSPs are not in the correct longitude position in the wheel, although the actual points are listed in the correct positions. Ed
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 19, 2021, 12:07:20 PM
Can't replicate. >:(
A solution would be to hand this over to you since you are able to replicate. 8)
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Sindy on September 19, 2021, 01:08:11 PM
Hi Jean and Ed!

The error appears when choosing 'None' from the 'Housesystem' list in the bar and opening the VSP module after this. It doesn't appear when you first save the chart already with no houses and then open the Venus Star Point module. One option to make it work would be saving all charts with no houses, but I think there should be another way to fix the issue.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 19, 2021, 01:25:41 PM
I edit transit startup, set it to no houses, don't save it, make a vsp, and it shows ok.
What are your exact steps Sindy?
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: ABer on September 19, 2021, 02:22:12 PM
Hi Jean - I set No Houses using the Toolbar with the icons. I got the problem that Sindy has. It seems to be isolated to one off removal of the house system, rather than setting the default as No Houses through the Options menu.

My guess is the problem line is 154: getcirclepos(mx, my, height * .26, findr1 - asc, posx, posy);

Where asc is only defined in terms of planets[ASCENDANT]. This is probably vulnerable in the case above where this is not defined?

Ed
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: ABer on September 19, 2021, 02:32:53 PM
Fix:

h = gethousesys(0);

if (h = -2)
       r = findr1;
    else
        r = findr1 - asc;
    getcirclepos(mx, my, height * .26, r, posx, posy);
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 19, 2021, 03:06:07 PM
Finally, problem replicated.

September 19
- When setting the housesystem to None using the icon in the toolbar, values for houses and asc in horoscopes are now adjusted / set to zero. This fixes some behaviour with incorrect drawings.

About your fix, asc should be zero with No Houses, it shouldn't matter. Internally i now indeed use that same condition but i set the houses and asc/mc to zero, overwriting previous values.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: ABer on September 19, 2021, 03:19:41 PM
Thanks Jean - yours is the more sophisticated alternative I'm sure! I'm glad this one is fixed now. Ed
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Sindy on September 19, 2021, 03:29:51 PM
Thanks for the fix, Jean! Now it works. The only thing left is the weird conjunctions showing up after selecting 'After birth' in the check box.

P.S. I just saw your new pic under Help/About. Great photo! 😃👍
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 19, 2021, 03:48:50 PM
Sindy do you have an example of a weird conjunction, can't find one.

Thanks for the compliment, that photo was before i lost a few kilos (i don't have that belly anymore!  ;D) but i did it for the sweater, a present from a nice lady i got to know facebook. She knitted it and it traveled by boat all the way from Canada. It must be the nicest present i ever got.

@Ed, this way you don't have to do anything in ab. When the global housesystem gets set all present horoscopes are recalculated, but as/mc kept their old incorrect values.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Sindy on September 19, 2021, 04:22:00 PM
Jean, that sweater is absolutely stunning! ✨

For the weird conjunctions (in the aspect list), see the pic below.

P.S. And congrats for losing a few kilos. That is hard work.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 19, 2021, 04:41:29 PM
Been looking at that list yes, but which one is wrong? I tried a few but didn't see errors, calculations are ok too as far as i can see.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Sindy on September 19, 2021, 06:35:29 PM
When you compare the conjunctions listed in the aspect list to the points of the star you see that, for example, the Sun is not conjunct point e as indicated in the list.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: ABer on September 19, 2021, 06:41:04 PM
Hi Sindy and Jean - this seems to be fixed for me now. Ed
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 19, 2021, 06:45:14 PM
Now i see what you mean, i was looking at the box with the events, you were talking about the aspect list at the top. :)
Fixed.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Sindy on September 19, 2021, 07:17:51 PM
Perfect, Jean! I'm very glad it is fixed. I've been spending much time studying the VSP system, and I love that Planetdance has this module. It's great as a teaching tool, too.  :)
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 19, 2021, 07:27:58 PM
I often see it mentioned by people yes, it carries some weight. Haven't used it myself much i'm afraid.

September 19
+ Added checkbox to Horoscope - Extra - Venus Star Point for choosing the first After Birth in stead of before, as for Arielle Guttman in her book Venus Star Rising.
- Fixed problem with setting the housesystem to None using the icon in the toolbar in combination with some modules
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Sindy on September 19, 2021, 07:55:27 PM
It didn't seem as much of a big deal in the beginning, but once I started learning it for real and began to understand the mechanics behind it, I've got so much insight through this system in combination with other techniques that I will go on studying it (I'm at the moment working on my exam to get certified).

Just for clarification, Arielle Guttman teaches that the Sun-Venus conjunction before birth is your personal VSP. The 'after birth rule' applies only for those born close (seven to ten days) to the next VSP.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on September 19, 2021, 08:12:56 PM
Yet another diploma?

I posted to facebook and right away got likes, people like this method.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Sindy on September 19, 2021, 09:02:01 PM
Yes, I can't help it. I'm a perpetual student. Once I'm excited about something, nothing stops me. I have to investigate and study it, lol.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: volker on October 08, 2021, 11:12:52 AM
I understand that you don't want to overload anything,
but yesterday I looked at the Elven Star method (https://www.jamesburgess.com/elven-star.html), there is a 7 point star with the Sabian symbols and sufi wisdom combined.
I thought the combination with the Sabian symbols could also work well here.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: volker on October 08, 2021, 11:29:28 AM
Sindy, can you give me a good link to a page where the meaning of the points is explained in detail?
I don't want to buy the book right away.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on October 08, 2021, 12:13:08 PM
but yesterday I looked at the Elven Star method (https://www.jamesburgess.com/elven-star.html), there is a 7 point star with the Sabian symbols and sufi wisdom combined.
I thought the combination with the Sabian symbols could also work well here.

If you go around the web i'm sure you will see thousands of things which are not in planetdance :)
I will add sabian symbols though.

October 8
+ Added Sabian Symbols to Horoscope - Extra - Venus Star Point.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: volker on October 08, 2021, 01:19:59 PM
Didn't find it at first. :o
Thanks alot. Have a nice weekend.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Sindy on October 08, 2021, 05:56:43 PM
Sindy, can you give me a good link to a page where the meaning of the points is explained in detail?
I don't want to buy the book right away.

Not a page, but a link to a presentation by Arielle Guttman herself. https://youtu.be/e7X_thynFKM

If you want to understand the meaning of the points in detail with all the information they contain, you would need to go further and study the VSP system, including the cycles of Venus, in-depth. This video, however, is a good starting point and introduction. Good luck!
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: volker on October 09, 2021, 10:09:21 AM
Thanks for the link,
saw the video and a lot more, read some blogs, didn't find out anything that is really new.
For interpretation, read my book ... Maybe at 50 I'm too old for that now, but I've learned again how US big business works.
Maybe she found a few interesting interpretations, but the whole thing reminds me too much of all the new astro books with lots of pages, lots of colorful pictures and 90% nothing really new.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Sindy on October 09, 2021, 06:35:57 PM
Thanks for the link,
saw the video and a lot more, read some blogs, didn't find out anything that is really new.
For interpretation, read my book ... Maybe at 50 I'm too old for that now, but I've learned again how US big business works.
Maybe she found a few interesting interpretations, but the whole thing reminds me too much of all the new astro books with lots of pages, lots of colorful pictures and 90% nothing really new.

I thought the Venus Star was new to you as you asked for detailed explanations of its points. Of course, the information about Venus' cycles and patterns isn't new. It's been there for thousands of years. But I'm surprised that you didn't find anything really new. I don't know anyone besides Arielle who has studied in-depth and written a book about historical cycles or relationship dynamics in the light of the Venus Star. But if you know people who have, maybe you could share a link to their work? I'm especially interested in this kind of insight the Venus Star provides. So any new resources are always welcome.  :)
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: volker on October 10, 2021, 07:11:00 AM
"...I'm especially interested in this kind of insight the Venus Star provides"
That was also what interested me. Her interpretation concept for the points.
She only talks about this in her book, in her workshops... everything else she says in the videos is not new. This is just to feed, to buy the real information.
Astrology is degenerating more and more into a business.That is my criticism.
If you are interested in cycles and harmonic sequences generally get Hartmut Warm - Die Signatur der Sphären.
Whether I buy Arielle's book I do not know yet.

Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: Jean on October 10, 2021, 09:01:21 AM
Astrology is degenerating more and more into a business.That is my criticism.

It's just the way most of the world works. Myself I dislike all those glossy papers like mountain astrologer, expensive, filled with ads about expensive products, and the quality of their articles is disputable, if you ask me there's a lot of rubbish among it, really to me it's nothing but a status symbol. But the world loves it.
Title: Re: Venus Star Point module
Post by: volker on October 10, 2021, 11:07:03 AM
You speak from my heart.
Have regretted the purchase of almost all new astro books in recent years.
This year only read books from the beginning of the 20th century. Astrology and philosophy.
A joy. It's like having fast food for years.