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Classic, Medieval, Vedic / Re: Table of Profected Aspects to Natal Planets.
« on: November 02, 2024, 02:53:32 PM »
Hi Ed,

Thank you very much.

Zagata

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Classic, Medieval, Vedic / Re: Table of Profected Aspects to Natal Planets.
« on: September 15, 2024, 08:55:45 PM »
Hi Ed,

No problem. Thank you.

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Classic, Medieval, Vedic / Re: Table of Profected Aspects to Natal Planets.
« on: September 15, 2024, 05:43:24 PM »
Indeed, Jean, and I also play tennis regularly. :) I prefer the period between 1984 and 2010 though because there much more variety in styles and surfaces. And the introduction of poly strings did a big disservice to the sport.

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Classic, Medieval, Vedic / Table of Profected Aspects to Natal Planets.
« on: September 15, 2024, 05:01:17 PM »
Hi Ed and Jean,

I would like to make a request for the creation of a table that includes profected aspects to natal planets. These are calculated by advancing a given planet or angle by 2.5 degrees per month.

Ed, this is an expanded version of the aspects the profected Asc makes to natal planets that we talked about when you programmed the ninth and twelfth parts tables in the Medieval Forecasting Methods module. Since then, I have seen that European Renaissance astrologers such as Schoener, Rantzau, Leovitius used not just the Asc but the 5 traditional significators. My request is even that the table includes not just the Asc, MC, Sun, Moon and Lot of Fortune, but the 5 planets as well.

The purpose of the table is help in timing the annual promise. I will give two examples and show the table I have created and use. Please see the attached files.

The first one is Novak Djokovic. The inner wheel is his nativity and the outer wheel is his profected chart for 2017, when he was 30. The profected Asc came from 16.04 Cap to 16.04 Can, Venus came from 6.32 Tau to 6.32 Sco, etc.

The year promises a child because the Moon is Lord of the Year and exalted lord 5 and is natally conjunct Jupiter. In the SR chart (not shown) the Moon is applying to conjunct lord 5 Venus, who is tightly conjunct natal Jupiter. Venus is also the lord of the natal Lot of Children and on it.

The year also promises health issues because Mars is in the profected Asc, squares the Moon and he is also conjunct the SR Asc in Gemini and conjunct natal lord 6 Mercury. Djokovic had wrist surgery, but it is the timing of his second child that I want to draw your attention to.

Novak’s second child was born on 2 September 2017  (Month 4 - Lib, ruled by L5 Venus in the 5th.) See the profected table I created. By advancing 2.5 degrees per month, profected Venus, lord 5 and lord of the Lot of Children and on it, comes to conjunct the MC on 26 Aug - 7 days before the birth of Djokovic’s daughter. That is a pretty accurate timing of the annual promise. Notice the way it works: not the MC to Venus, but Venus to the MC. This is the reason why I am requesting all planets and not just the 5 traditional significators.

Example 2: Boris Becker and his 1998 SR, when he was 31. The Asc comes to the Moon. I have not done all the aspects but have calculated just three this time.

On 30 June 1999 Becker was drinking in a London restaurant, consoling himself after an early loss at Wimbledon. He was seduced by a Russian waitress, had quick sex with her inside the restaurant building and forgot about it. Months later, he was contacted with the news that he had become a father. He denied and disputed that initially, but a DNA test proved that we was the father and he paid the mother generously to take good her of their daughter.

The Moon is Lord of the Year and she is natally opposed to lord 5/lord 12 Mars. See the attached table. The profected Asc came to conjunct LoY Moon on 20 Jun - 10 days earlier than the event, but still a pretty good timing.

Keep in mind that Becker’s chart, as well as that of Djokovic are AA ratings from birth certificates. I have not rectified them, and if there is a 2 minute difference, the timing would get closer or further away, depending on the result.

I should say that by including all the aspects and planets the table will have over 20 dates. Not all of these dates will produce important events during the year. What they show should be compared with the monthly solar revolutions and monthly profections. In my experience, the conjunction and opposition provide the best timing. Morerover, the rulers of the times take precedence over the other planets. Only a thorough testing of many charts will show which rulers of the times are most important in this method, that is, I mean the annual ones vs the long-term ones.

If possible, I would like the table to be in the the Medieval Forecasting Methods module. Thank you for your consideration. I know you are very busy and are working on other projects as well.

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Hi Ed,

The weather is indeed a bit cooler now. I hope it normalizes back for your location. Thank you for the fix.

Zagata

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Hi Ed,

Thank you. And please make sure you enjoy your break to the fullest.

P.S. It was 41.1 degrees in my city today, with meteorologists forecasting 43 and 45 in the coming days. I wish I could take a break in the mountains. :)

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Hi Ed and Jean,

I was checking Roman emperor Maximilian's nativity in Schoener's book and wanted to calculate his 1486 SR and MSRs. When I opened the medieval forecasting methods module, an error occurred. It says: array out of bound jdrRiseSet Line 2160. I updated Planetdance to the latest version but the error keeps happening.

Please see the attached files.

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Thank you very much, Ed.

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Hi Ed,

Thank you, I just replied to you via email. I found 3 other cases with the bug, though the initial two have been fixed.

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Hi Ed,

Do you mean by email? Please email it to me again because I just checked and I don't have new emails.
Thank you.

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Hi Ed,

For the 9th parts, we count the prof. Asc from 0 degrees, not from its actual degree, like the Moon.

With Boris Becker, he has natal Asc at 9.22 Sag which profected to Lib when he turned 22 in the table I uploaded in my post above. For the 9th part calculation, we consider the prof Asc to be 0 degrees of the sign it has arrived to.

I have attached 9th parts table from Ben Dykes’ Introductions to Traditional Astrology book.

With Lib being month 1, Venus is the 9th part lord of the prof Asc.

We continue by counting 1 sign per month. The monthly prof Asc’s 9th part for Month 2 is Sco, ruled by the Moon.

The monthly prof Asc’s 9th part for Month 3 is Sag, ruled by Mars.

The monthly prof Asc’s 9th part for Month 4 is Cap, ruled by Saturn. And so on.

Another example: when a prof. Asc comes to Ari, Mars would be the 9th part ruler of of Month 1, Saturn would rule Month 2 - Tau, Venus would rule Month 3 - Gem, the Moon would rule Month 4 - Can, Mars would rule Month 5 - Leo, etc.

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Hi Ed,

Indeed. Placing it in the medieval forecasting module would be more suitable and convenient than the classical one.

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Hi Ed and Jean,

I have a special request. I would love to have Planetdance calculate annual and monthly 12th parts and 9th parts. This is based on Abu Mashar and others and I recently learned about it from the Arab Dr Ali Olomi's Patreon. (He teaches at an American university) Ali Olomi does traditional translations directly from Arabic and I can't recommend his Patreon enough because he is providing information which did not reach medieval Europe. Basically, those of us not reading Ancient Arabic are learning and testing these ancient methods for the first time in many centuries. Even though Ben Dykes translated Abu Mashar on Solar Revolutions from Arabic, there are still many, many unknowns and the book is 99% theory.

I have used Boris Becker's nativity (22 Nov 1967 at 8.45 am in Leimen, Germany, Asc 9.22 Sag) and his 1989 SR. He was 22 = his prof. Asc reaches the 11th sign Lib. His 1989 SR has Asc 4.07 Gem. I am using Lib Asc to save time because earlier today I calculated a chart with a Lib prof. Asc, and the chart takes a while to do by hand. Please see the attached files.

The table has 5 columns. From left to right, they are:

1) The monthly prof. Asc sign, the date it starts based on the monthly solar revolution and the lord of the month;

2) The monthly solar revolution (MSR) Asc degree and minute and where its 12th part falls in the nativity by whole sign houses. For example, Month 3 has 28.28 Can MSR Asc, as calculated by Planetdance, whose 12th part is Gem, the natal 7th whole sign house;

3) The continuous prof. Asc. It is an 11th sign year = Lib = 9.22 Sag natal Asc becomes 9.22 Lib. Each month is 2.5 degrees. For example, in Month 3 (starting on 19 Jan 1990) the 12th part of the prof. Asc is from 14.22 to 16.52 Lib. This is the Pis 12th part = the 4th house sign house, ruled by Jupiter. Thus Jupiter, and the 4th house less so, need to taken into consideration in interpreting the month. Month 3 is considered a peak month because the 12th part of the prof Asc reaches Pis - one of the 4 natal stakes. The blue-coloured and underlined sign shows when the prof. Asc changes sign. This is an important month and shows changes in the native’s identity according to where the whole sign house falls. In Becker’s case in this year, it is Scorpio, the 12th place. This shift does not change the Lord of the Year. It is used for fine-tuning predictions throughout the year.

4)The 9th part lord of the monthly prof. Asc starting at 0 degrees, not at the degree of the Asc. Venus rules the first 9th part of Lib, the Moon rules the first 9th part of Sco, Mars of Sag, Saturn of Cap, etc. Ali Olomi explains that the word Abu Mashar uses for the planet in this column is the same word he uses in the Firdaria specific lord (not the general, first one). Thus we are also to take this planet into consideration when delineating the given month.

5)When the prof. Asc aspects a natal planet. This is from Umar and others, which the European medieval astrologers used a lot. The prof. Asc is at 9.22 Lib for Becker in 1989 and we profect it by 2.5 degrees per month = about 5 minutes per day. Natal Venus is at 13.14 Lib, so in Month 2 (starting on 21 Dec 1989 as per column 1) the prof Asc will be between 11.52 and 14.22 Lib and will reach the body of Venus around 6 Jan 1990. This will be a very significant few day period because the LoY is encountered, in the prof. Asc at that.


As for the months of destiny, I myself have indicated them by this symbol *. From the example given by Ali Olomi in his Patreon video, I understand them to be calculated in the following way. Take the 9th part lord of the natal Moon (there is a procedure for the SR Moon, but it is complicated and Ali Olomi is yet to teach it). Becker’s Moon is at 26.48 Can, whose 9th part is ruled by Jupiter. The rule is that when Jupiter is encountered by the monthly prof Asc, that will be the biggest month of destiny. Natal Jupiter is in Vir, which the monthy prof. Asc reaches in Month 12.

If the 9th part lord of the natal Moon is the 9th part lord of the monthly prof. Asc, that is also a month of destiny, though a weaker one. This last part is not valid in Becker’s case.

I myself created the current table based on Abu Mashar and the explanations of Ali Olomi. The mini table Ali Olomi created is much, much shorter and simpler. It has no dates, just the months, signs and planets are given, and it does not have the aspects of the prof. Asc to the natal planets. With my table, one has the full information at his finger tips and immediately sees which planets, signs, dates and aspects are activated in each of the months.

Ed, in case you decide to program the table in Medieval/Medieval Forecasting Methods, only you know whether there is enough space to fit it in and where. If space is limited, or it would require changing things you have already created, then columns 1 and 2 can be skipped. However, columns 3, 4, 5 are not available in any professional software or calculator that I know of and would be terrific if Planetdance once again is the world pioneer in this. Having this table and using it along with the multiwheels in Medieval Forecasting Methods in PlanetDance presents the perfect snapshot for the whole year.


Thank you for your consideration.

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Unfortunately, they are gone. I checked the files with .db and there are no more.

It is definitely my fault because I see a file from 6 June 2021 - Turkey - Italy Euro Football championships that I had saved in planetdance database file and is still there with about celebrity 40 charts. This means I renamed my file with all the charts and somehow deleted or misplaced it. Thank again, Jean.

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