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Ergänzungscombin - Supplementary Combin ?
« on: September 01, 2021, 02:07:27 PM »
A few years ago I came across the following article:  https://www.combin-horoskop.de/ergCombin.htm
and tried the method on some relationship charts. I found the results so enlightening that I started looking for a software that calculates this, but found none. I then gave up the whole thing, because the calculation was too annoying for me, especially with different birthplaces. A few days ago I discovered the article by coincidence again. Maybe there are now more people who are interested in it ? I can only recommend to try it out.

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Re: Ergänzungscombin - Supplementary Combin ?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2021, 02:13:32 PM »
File Composite has two versions of combine, are you referring to them?
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Re: Ergänzungscombin - Supplementary Combin ?
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2021, 07:17:47 AM »
I have seen it. Being able to calculate multi-combine is a fine thing, but this is something else.
It's a little more complicated. I have a Combin of A and B. It describes the relationship of the two.
Now I want to calculate a fictitious horoscope which, as a combin with horoscope A, gives a horoscope which is like horoscope B. :o
And this fictitious horoscope gives me information about how A can ideally behave in order to remain completely himself in the relationship with B.
The method was invented many years ago by Mr. Lang and as far as I know there is no longer a programme that can calculate this.

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« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2021, 08:40:19 AM »
Hi - is this idea the same as the Davison chart:

The Davison chart calculates the midpoint in time between the two birth dates and times and the midpoint in space between the latitudes and longitudes of the two birthplaces.

https://www.astro.com/astrology/tma_article150106_e.htm

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« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2021, 08:47:08 AM »
No, davison is same as combine. This does a trick with adjusting the midpoints in time / space halfway to one of the partners, saying it's how that person has to behave to be herself in the relation.
I may implement this at one time. Not sure yet.
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« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2021, 09:27:29 AM »
Thanks for the clarification Jean. Ed

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« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2021, 10:16:57 AM »
I think I made a mistake in the description. I have read Mr Lang's article again. (Sorry, it's been a long time since I used this.)

.. a fictitious horoscope which, as a combin with horoscope B, gives a horoscope which is like horoscope A. And this fictitious horoscope gives me information about how A can ideally behave in order to remain completely himself in the relationship with B.

Astroplus had the calculation years ago, but Mr. Peterat does not want to reintroduce it.

Would be great if Planetdance could do that and maybe more people would use it then.

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« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2021, 02:26:14 PM »
Been several hours at this, got to the point where my temper got bad, then i saw this:

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Anton genau um 10:00 und Berta genau um 14:00.
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Diesen Abstand subtrahiert man von der Geburtszeit des jüngeren Partners, hier von Anton.

Does not compute, Anton is the older one. No wonder i got half crazy trying to get it right :(

Look here https://jcremers.com/code/Complementary%20Combine.ab Do right click, save as c:\planetdance\ab\horoscope\Complementary Combine.ab, restart pd and test.


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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2021, 07:45:03 AM »
Yes, that's right. I can remember now that this also confused me at the time (3-4 years ago) and I followed the calculation example.
I just tested it briefly on the example of Helmut Kohl.
When calculating back as a Combin, the Asz. was shifted by 1 hour.
I need some time to test it in peace, but basically I am impressed.
I hope others use it too and send feedback.
Many thanks for this.

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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2021, 07:50:59 AM »
It assumes DST setting is the same everywhere on the two found times, that maybe the cause for the 1 hour difference.
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Re: Ergänzungscombin - Supplementary Combin ?
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2021, 10:16:39 AM »
Ok Jean, I just got so confused that I tried the Anton/Berta example first.

Anton Radix 10:00 , Köln 01.09.21 and Berta Radix 14:00 Köln 01.09.21. Same day, same place, same time zone.

Ergänzungscombin Anton must be 6:00.
Ergänzungscombin Berta must be 18:00.

For verification: Ergänzungscombin of Anton (6:00) + Berta radix (14:00) = Anton radix (10:00).
"Das Ergänzungscombin (von z.B. Anton) ist immer dann richtig berechnet, wenn es im Combin mit dem anderen Partner (Berta) die Geburtsdaten des ersten Partners (Anton) ergibt."

But Planetdance calculates:  comb.anton = 18:00 and comp.berta = 6:00.

« Last Edit: September 03, 2021, 10:38:41 AM by volker »

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2021, 11:07:13 AM »
should be fixed, it was reversed.

Edit: timezone was no problem but dst was. Latest version should fix that.

Can you make me a nice english help text? Please include the link to that site and maybe you can mail them that pd now has it as a module? It's tested and i published it.
This is the help so far, maybe you have some more?

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These fictitious horoscopes give information about how A can ideally behave in order to remain completely himself in the relationship with B.
The method was invented many years ago by Mr. Lang. https://www.combin-horoskop.de/ergCombin.htm
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Re: Ergänzungscombin - Supplementary Combin ?
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2021, 01:23:52 PM »
Now I have correct results for the same place of birth. :D

With different places, e.g. with the example Helmut Kohl and the German unit I have different Asz. grade with the back checking.

Combin - German Unit + comp.Helmut Kohl = Radix Helmut Kohl  (differenz 12°)

Please check that too.



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Re: Ergänzungscombin - Supplementary Combin ?
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2021, 01:47:38 PM »
I'm gonna let this rest, it's a lot of work to test and the examples on that page are not very clear. Maybe you can work out a decent example for me? I've had it a bit, it's a lot of tedious testing and i see no errors in my code. There's confusion about which times to use though, it's not clear how they do the calculations, is that local time or UT?
A better example would help.

I calculate everything in UT, and when a local time is needed i look at the timezone for that moment, dst or not. That is one hour difference and probably the cause of the asc difference. If two horoscopes fall in different timezones regarding dst, i think this probably can't be helped. At least i'm giving up, my brain is cooking. ::)
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Re: Ergänzungscombin - Supplementary Combin ?
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2021, 03:59:12 PM »
I also have enough for today.
I contacted the author Mr. Lang, gave him the link to the forum and asked him to help. I hope he will do it.