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Heliocentric aspects: Sun always conj. with Moon?
« on: May 15, 2022, 03:02:39 PM »
I am exploring PlanetDance in Heliocentric mode and I am a bit perplexed.

If I am not mistaken, in Helio, the Sun is supposed to always be at 0degAries. (Attachment 1, OpenAstro)

In PlanetDance the Sun is always conjunct with the Moon going around the zodiac just like another planet. (Attachment 2, PlanetDance). At 0degAries the only constants are Pars, Lilith and Node.     

Is there a remedy for this?
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Re: Heliocentric aspects: Sun always conj. with Moon?
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2022, 07:15:13 AM »
I have been told that in helio the sun should be placed opposite it's geocentric position.
I don't know where i got this from but i haven't had any complaints yet, i will ask around.
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Re: Heliocentric aspects: Sun always conj. with Moon?
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2022, 08:40:07 AM »
Earth is always in exact sun opposition.
The moon's position from a heliocentric point of view has a maximum distance of perhaps 10 arc minutes from earth.
This is as irrelevant as Lunar Node, Lilith, Priapus.
Are houses useful here?
I would only  look in synastry with the normal geocentric natal chart.
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Re: Heliocentric aspects: Sun always conj. with Moon?
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2022, 03:16:47 PM »
Hi Jean,

According to the (scarce) reading material currently available Houses are not relevant in Heliocentric mode.
Yes, Earth & Moon are always conjunct from the Helio perspective.   

It seems to be more of a matter of graphical representation than anything else.
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Re: Heliocentric aspects: Sun always conj. with Moon?
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2022, 05:14:11 PM »
Chris, i don't see any reason to change it.
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2022, 05:32:39 PM »
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Re: Heliocentric aspects: Sun always conj. with Moon?
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2022, 08:24:21 PM »
In Phillip Sedgwick's book, The Sun at the Centre, he shows the Earth position in the helio chart opposite the geocentric solar position.

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Re: Heliocentric aspects: Sun always conj. with Moon?
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2022, 08:40:43 PM »
I have that book - I am not entirely convinced of the rationale.

Astronomically speaking Earth is just another planet revolving around the Sun. If Sun is the reference/constant, then its position on the Zodiac is none other than 0 deg Aries. 

Calculating how the Zodiac itself unfolds around the Sun is another matter of contention. Tropical calculation doesn't apply, therefore it's Sidereal. If Sidereal then what Ayanamsa (in Vedic lingo) to use - since they are all made for geocentric use?

I accepted that for Heliocentric use Ayanamsa = Zero (same as Sidereal J2000) makes more sense than Lahiri, Fagan/Bradley, etc. 

Last but not least: there are no Houses, no AC, no IC and no MC in Heliocentric. Current wisdom maintains that geocentric  planetary/zodiac attributes have the same meaning in Helio and I accept that until I am given enough reasons not to.
   

         
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Re: Heliocentric aspects: Sun always conj. with Moon?
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2022, 09:41:29 PM »
Thanks Chris - it's an interesting perspective. At some point I would like to do a heliocentric module based on Sedgwick's book, but it should be possible to include the Sun = Aries viewpoint. I don't have time to take this forward at the moment, but perhaps some time in the future. Ed

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Re: Heliocentric aspects: Sun always conj. with Moon?
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2022, 10:29:59 PM »
Hi Ed,
Thanks for your note.

Personally speaking I am most interested in the Mundane side of Astrology. In these terms, I found Sedgwick's book so full of "esoteric" references that I was not able to comprehend most of what he is/was talking about.

Yes, a Helio chart is quite different from a Geo chart. One is looking at the two charts trying to understand if one of the two is correct or if they are complementing each other. Most people prefer the latter - hence Sedgwick's approach to the matter: if Helio is complementary to understanding the "self", then which "self" does Helio show me? Noble endeavour from Sedgwick's side but... I could not understand what he's talking about.

Be well and thank you for the conversation!

     
 
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