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Lisha

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90 degree dial planets applying and separating orbs?
« on: May 17, 2022, 12:15:39 PM »
Ever since the module has been updated I'm struggling to understand the orbs, for example in the image attached what does 084°45 mean for Saturn? And what does 000°25 mean for Pluto? I don't understand if these are even separating or applying?

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Re: 90 degree dial planets applying and separating orbs?
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2022, 12:50:22 PM »
84°45" shows you the midpoint where you are currently on the disc,
i.e. at 24°45" variable signs.
0°25" tells you that the exact midpoint of Saturn / Pluto has already been exceeded by 25".
« Last Edit: May 17, 2022, 12:51:57 PM by volker »

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Re: 90 degree dial planets applying and separating orbs?
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2022, 01:23:53 PM »
So the degrees on the right (all the ones starting with 000) are the degrees of separation?
But Venus and MC have minus signs before the degrees, so what would the minus sign mean?

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Re: 90 degree dial planets applying and separating orbs?
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2022, 02:39:29 PM »
This means that it still needs 22" to hit the midpoint exactly. The orb is + - 1°
I can't see where the Sun/Venus is in your photo.
Either the midpoint is at 25° 07" variable sign or 10° 07" fixed sign. On the other side of the axis of the dial.
Via Menu - Midpoints Sorts - Planetary Midpoints Sort you can see the list of the midpoints with the exact positions.

So I had a little more time now. :D
In my example:
-000° 05" means it still needs 05" to be exact.
000°43" the pointer is already 43" beyond the exact point
« Last Edit: May 17, 2022, 03:48:26 PM by volker »

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Re: 90 degree dial planets applying and separating orbs?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2022, 05:46:00 PM »
Hi Volker - that's correct. Thanks for your help. Ed

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Re: 90 degree dial planets applying and separating orbs?
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2022, 09:06:13 PM »
Thank you Volker for your time. :)

A question once again! I'm currently struggling with gaining any likes or interaction on my Astro Twitter account with my recent posts, which using the 90° dial and "The combination of stellar influences" bible, its to do with Neptune's current placement at 25°10 Pisces which is sesi-quadrate my Uranus/Mc midpoint at 10°Scorpio

In the attached image, my Uranus/mc midpoint is at 10°scorpio, and transit Neptune is currently at 25°10 Pisces, calculating this manually this = 134°53 between this midpoint and Neptune, which is - 7" applying to exact. But the software has it as -17 applying to exact?

Also using the top midpoints (Saturn/Pluto) which is at 24°20 Virgo, with Tr Neptune 50" passed, but the software says 40" passed.

So there seems to be a 10" difference. Am I being too Virgo sun perfectionist here, or is there a fault?

But thank you Volker for your help. It seems now that the top of the list midpoints is the separating midpoints, and as they go down, especially when you get to - degrees, they are still applying. That's the pattern i couldnt see before.

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Re: 90 degree dial planets applying and separating orbs?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2022, 10:01:36 PM »
Hi Lisha - the pointer is pointing at 85 degrees, not exactly at Neptune. I think that explains the difference. The dial moves in increments of either 1/4 degree, 1/2 degree etc. I hope that helps. Ed

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Re: 90 degree dial planets applying and separating orbs?
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2022, 10:48:30 PM »
Planet Neptune is very close to the 85°Mark, how should I know the dials at the correct location?
I've basically been placing the dial on the exact location of a planet. Is this wrong? And I do mainly use the 1/4 degree dial movement.

I do know I'm most likely doing something wrong, but I'm confused as to how right now  :-\

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Re: 90 degree dial planets applying and separating orbs?
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2022, 06:35:51 AM »
Ok, I see your problem. The differences given in the dial refer to the position of the pointer !

How far the pointer is away from the exact midpoint you see in the table. This is necessary because the pointer can only be moved with a minimum of 15".
 
Therefore the difference of 10". Uranus/MC is 10°17" exact, the pointer is at 10°, so still 17" away from the exact midpoint. But you can never reach it with the pointer, because it always jumps 15".

The pointer is only an aid to find the midpoints.

If you want to determine the exact difference of transit Neptune to Uranus/MC in the dial you have to use

 the values in the table and the transit position (just like you did) or the Midpoint-Module in synastry for the transits.
 
I cannot explain it better.
 
I hope it helps you.

« Last Edit: May 18, 2022, 06:43:48 AM by volker »