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I completed the testing and emaiiled you the results, Ed. Everything checks out.

Moreover, I discovered something I had not noticed and have marked it on the 2 SR charts in question (Pitt and Jolie). It turns out that the Indian sources for the Egyptian bounds swapped Mercury with Venus for the 1st bound of Aquarius and Venus with Jupiter for the 3rd bound of Gemini. This results in differences in both the bound and the final calculation. PlanetDance has them correct. Moreover, the Jolie 2024 SR is particularly significant because it results in a difference from 7.89 five-dignity strength to the correct one of 10.67, which is a lot. In the case of Pitt's 1991 SR, the difference goes from 12.10 to the correct one of 13.91. Planetdance has become the only software that calculates the Five-dignity strength correctly.

Now that the Five-dignity strength table is completed, I will describe and exemplify the next table, namely the rejoicing conditions. It is the second most important table in the Perso-Arabic annual tradition. It is also used in nativities, says astrologer Ernst Wilhelm who teaches this material.

When present, each of the rejoicing conditions gives 5 points. Please see the table I have attached for Bush?s 2000 SR.

There are four rejoicing conditions, which the Indians call Harsha (source Neelakantha p. 87). I will reuse parts of my initial post for easy reference. Each condition gives 5 points and they are ordered like this:

1 Whether a planet is in the house of its joy (Sun in the 9th sign Moon in the 3rd sign, etc);
2 Whether a planet is in its own domicile or exaltation;
3 Whether a planet is of the sect*;
4 Whether a masculine planet** is in a masculine quadrant*** and whether a feminine planet is in a feminine quadrant. Additionally****, the masculine planet has to be in a masculine sign, while the feminine planet has to be in a feminine sign.

*The Indians got the rejoicing conditions from Sahl, but Sahl made a mistake and it spread because there is no concept of sect in India. I have corrected the mistake. Sahl says masculine planets by day and feminine planets by night. It should be diurnal planets in a day chart and nocturnal planets in a night chart, that is, a planet has to be of the sect in favour.

** Here we have another difference. Of course, we are going to follow the Hellenistic and Perso-Arabic tradition from which Tajika originated. Sahl himself says that the masculine planets are Jupiter, Mars, Saturn (and the Sun). The feminine planets are the Moon and Venus. Mercury is diurnal/masculine when it in an earlier zodiacal degree than the Sun and nocturnal/feminine when it is in a later zodiacal degree than the Sun. However, for the purpose of this, the Indians consider Saturn and Mercury to be female at all times.

*** Per Ptolemy Book 1, chapter 6, masculine/eastern quadrants are from the Asc degree and minute to the MC degree and minute and from the Dsc degree and minute to the IC degree and minute. Feminine/western quadrants are from the MC degree and minute to the Dsc degree and minute and from the IC degree and minute to the Asc degree and minute.

**** This additional requirement for masculine planets to be in masculine signs and feminine ones to be in feminine signs is not present and hence not observed in the Indian tradition. However, it is present in Sahl as the second sentence of the condition ( see Works of Sahl and Masha?allah chapter 5.14, condition number 11) and I ask that you add it.

As for the table of Bush jr?s 2000 SR, here is how to calculate it:

The Sun is not in the place of its joy, is not in its domicile or exaltation, it is of the sect and gets 5 points, but while in a masculine quadrant, it is in a feminine sign. Thus out of the 4 conditions, the Sun meets the 3rd one and gets 5 points.

The Moon is not in the place of its joy, is not in its domicile or exaltation, it is not of the sect,  it is in a feminine quadrant and in a feminine sign, thus meeting condition 4. Thus out of the 4 conditions, she meets one and gets 5 points.

Saturn is not in the place of its joy, is not in its domicile or exaltation, it is of the sect and gets 5 points, but while in a masculine quadrant, it is in a feminine sign. Thus out of the 4 conditions, Saturn meets the 3rd one only and gets 5 points.

Jupiter is in the place of its joy, the 11th, is not in its domicile or exaltation, it is of the sect, it is in a masculine quadrant and in a masculine sign. Thus out of the 4 conditions, Jupiter meets the 1st, 3rd and 4th one and gets 15 points.

Mars is not in the place of its joy, is not in its domicile or exaltation, it is not of the sect, it is in a masculine quadrant but not in a masculine sign. Thus out of the 4 conditions, he meets none and gets 0 points.

Venus is not in the place of its joy, is not in its domicile or exaltation, it is not of the sect, it is not in a feminine quadrant, though it is in a feminine sign. Thus out of the 4 conditions, she meets none and gets 0 points.

Mercury is not in the place of its joy, is not in its domicile or exaltation, it is not of the sect as it is in a later zodiacal longitude than the Sun, it is not in a feminine quadrant, though it is in a feminine sign. Thus out of the 4 conditions, Mercury meets none and gets 0 points.

Let me know if I did not explain something clearly or if you need an additional example.

Best wishes,
Zagata

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Will this script be available as an extension for everyone to test this method?

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Hi Roberto - these new features are being developed as part of the Medieval Forecasting module which is available through the main download. When Zagata is satisfied with the features the module will be updated through the update feature within Planetdance so available to all users.

Thanks. Ed

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Thanks, Ed
I'll waiting when they will be available in the module

Cheers

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Hi Zagata - I'm working on the rejoicing conditions. I just have the quadrants to do now. I hope to finish this tomorrow and get a test version to you. I've attached a screenshot. The quadrant lines won't be accurate yet but the rest seems ok.

Best wishes. Ed

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Hi Ed,

Thank you, I look forward to testing it.

Could you please change "planet in the sect in favour" to "planet of the sect in favour"?

This is how Robert Schmidt translated them. He originally translated "in sect" and "out of sect", but as he progressed through the materials he stuck with "of the sect in favour" and "contrary to the sect".

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Hi Zagata - I have sent you the latest version to test. Many thanks. Ed

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Hi Ed,

Thank you. I will let you know as soon as I am done testing it. Best, Zagata

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I comprehensively tested the rejoicing conditions, sent the tested charts to Ed and everything checks out.

This is going to be a long post because I will be covering subjects that are tricky, divergent and largely undiscussed.

The next step would be to do the third type of strength, namely the Twelve dignities, as translated by Martin Gansten (chapter 2.8, p. 239). The Indians transliterate them as Dwadasha Vargeeya Bala (Neelakantha, p. 42), which of course is the same thing. This table is used to modify the auspiciousness and inauspiciousness of the planets. I don?t know where it comes from, but it is not Hellenistic or Perso-Arabic. In fact, some Perso-Arabic authors in India did not use this table. I suggest we also skip it. The reason is because it uses divisional charts. Quoting Martin Gansten?s translation on p. 241:

?Domicile, horā, decan, fourth-part, fifth-part, sixth-part, seventh-[part], eighth-[part], ninth-[part], tenth-part, eleventh-part and twelfth-part [are the twelve dignities]?.

After skipping this table, the next step is to do a table of the aspect strength within the SR (chapter 2.3 in Gansten?s translation, p.171). Points are assigned depending on the type of aspect and the distance of the planet, which results in proportional results in all cases unless the aspect is exact. I have attached a table from Martin Gansten. However, we have a problem here. Quoting Gansten on p.173:

?The constant values are simply the point values assigned to the aspects in Samarasiṃha?s scheme. The modification introduced here, if taken literally, will sometimes result in a separating aspect (where the distance from the exact aspect angle is increasing being considered stronger than an applying aspect (where the distance is decreasing), or in an applying aspect being considered stronger than an exact one, which contrasts sharply with Perso-Arabic practice.?

Why bother with such table a then? The answer is that there is some value here. Let me explain. The classical authors do instruct us to pay attention to planets aspecting the Profected Ascendant. They do it more explicitly on the natal level (Umar al Tabari and others). The value of the Perso-Arabic tradition in India is that they explicitly emphasize the closeness of the aspect of the SR planets to the degree of the Prof Asc, as well as to the SR Asc degree. I am taking Ernst Wilhelm?s SR course on this subject and he and his student Laura Barat (in her YouTube videos) emphasize the importance of this knowledge. Laura mentions examples where SR Venus very closely aspects the prof. Asc degree and the native marries or begins a relationship, even though this is the only major indication this year. This feature is something we should take advantage of because it is in the classical sources.

Ernst Wilhelm's software Kala is the only one I know that calculates the aspect table in its entirety. He is adamant that the table is indispensable. The reason is because the classical authors say that it is preferable that Emperor of the Year aspect the SR Asc degree. And if one does not calculate the aspects per this annual Perso-Arabic system, this means that the Emperor of the Year can never be in the SR 2nd, 6th, 8th or 12th  house. Yet there are quotes about the Emperor falling in the SR 6th, 8th or 12th house (p. 471 of the Jewel of Annual Astorlogy). Yet the table is so weird and contradicts the Hellenistic and Perso-Arabic tradition. To give you an example, in George Bush jr's 2000 SR, lord of the year Saturn is at 27.06 Taurus, while Jupiter is at 1.04 Gemini. They are averse and separating and yet they are in an out of sign conjunction according to orbs and each gets 52.1 points out of 60 being the maximum for the conjunction. That is so many points for planets that are averse. Even if one accepted out of sign conjunctions within some orb, this method here wants to do the same for all other aversions that are within orb. Thus we can have oppositions within orb of 8 or more degrees between a planet in late Aquarius and a planet in early Virgo. Additionally, and as Gansten pointed out, there are cases where separating aspects would receive more points, which simply cannot be.

So I suggest we do a very abbreviated aspect table, namely SR planets that aspect the prof. Asc within their Perso-Arabic orbs of influence, as well as SR planets that aspect the SR Asc. Such planets add additional significations and topics in the annual chart. Ed, you have already kindly programmed the profected natal aspects of the 5 major significators, the 5 planets and the North Node. Also, the classical authors tell us to note which of the 5-6 SR Officers aspect the SR degree. This table pertains to the SR placements of the planets. To illustrate it with an example, I have attached Novak Djokovic?s 2021 SR and the aspect table I created. We will be using the usual Perso-Arabic orbs of influence, not the points.

Djokovic was 34 and the prof. Asc came to Scorpio, the 11th whole sign house where the MC is. Mars is LoY and he is fallen in the nativity. He returns to its natal placement, but also closely opposes the natal Asc. There is lots of trouble here already for the native. What happened?

Djokovic was purposefully made an example of in January 2022 at the Australian Open. The reason is he had chosen not to get the experimental covid jab and exercise his God given right to bodily autonomy. It later turned out the authorities feared he would stir up such sentiment in the country, which they admitted to as the main reason for cancelling his visa. He was harassed, locked in horrible living conditions, humiliated and was deported after he had been given a visa. His inalienable rights were severely violated. Moreover, it turned out 1-2 years later that he was poisoned with very bad food. The place he was accommodated in had caught fire earlier on. People were prohibited from supporting him with posters at the Australian Open. And if that were not enough, he was banned from Australia  for 3 years. Such unprecedented treatment to the defending champion and the greatest player tennis player of all time was something that not even the worst criminals are given. Furthermore, as early as February, the French organizers of Roland Garros informed him that they would not allow him to participate in the Grand slam tournament in Paris unless he gets the covid experimental shot. He stayed firm in his decision and the so called unconstitutional ?measures? were removed 1-2 months later and he took part in the tournament.

My point is, there has to be something more in Djokovic?s chart that shows such experiences. Yes, he was running Mars-Venus Firdaria, but the events that happened to him were not just Martial, they were more Saturnian. Looking at the table, we see that precisely SR Saturn left squares (in fact, strikes with a ray) the prof. Asc. SR Mars also aspects the prof. Asc within 3 degrees. Yes, it is with a trine, but Mars is afflicted. Someone could say that SR Saturn is in the SR 10th and this shows the troubles he experienced. That is true, but Saturn does not afflict the SR Asc by orb. The stress that Djokovic experienced in January 2022 left some psychological trauma on his health, which he admitted next year when he returned and won the tournament.

The earliest ancient authors do speak about planets in the whole sign angles of a given placement. Later Perso-Arabic authors introduced the orbs in this. And this is an incredibly powerful example of the importance of using the orbs of influence. Of course, any time a malefic is in the whole sign angles a given place, Lot or planet, it will harm. But severity of the harm depends on other factors, one of which is the orbs. Having such a table at one?s disposal will help a lot.

No SR planets aspect the SR Asc. I have noted that Mars, Jupiter and Saturn are configured to the SR Asc, that is, they are in a whole sign aspect to it.

Ed, let me know if you need another example.

Best,
Zagata

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Hi Zagata - thanks for this detailed account of the next step. Just so that I am clear:

1. We are looking to identify SR planets that are configured by whole sign with the profected ascendant
2. We are also looking to identify SR that aspect by degree (within orbs) the profected ascendant.

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We will be using the usual Perso-Arabic orbs of influence

Can you remind me of these please.

Many thanks. Ed

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Hi Ed,

You are welcome. Yes, we are looking for SR planets that aspect the profected Ascendant by sign, but more importantly within orb. 15 degrees for the Sun, 12 for the Moon, 9 for Saturn and Jupiter, 8 for Mars, 7 for Venus and Mercury. When a SR planet merely aspects the profected Asc by sign, the table will say "configured".

We want the same for the SR Asc, that is, SR planets aspecting the SR Asc by sign, but more importantly within the same Perso-Arabic orb as above. And when a planet merely aspects the SR by sign/regards, the table will say "configured".

Best,
Zagata