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Re: Medieval Traditional Chart - Tabbed Format
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2024, 09:07:54 AM »
For myself, I utilise PD in the English translation.
Furthermore, most terminology in classical and ellenistic astrology come from English translations of Arabic, Greek, and Latin texts.

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Re: Medieval Traditional Chart - Tabbed Format
« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2024, 07:24:30 AM »
I use english myself too, i don't like dutch language on software.
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Lists/Table for Receptions
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2024, 09:26:58 AM »
Hi,
Possible to have a list/table of receptions that combines the dignities, so it is easier to read? which shows e.g.

"Planet A <- Received by Planet B"
- Receptions based on medieval, whereby A is either in domicile, exaltation, or at least 2 of the lesser dignities (Triplicity, Terms, Face) of B, and in aspect with B.

"Planet A <-> Planet B"
- Mutual Receptions will be similar as above, both planet A and B in domicile, exaltation, or at least 2 of the lesser dignities of the other, without need for aspect.
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Re: Lists/Table for Receptions
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2024, 02:22:32 PM »
Hi there - this will be in the Medieval Traditional Chart module. See Medieval->Medieval Traditional Chart. Thanks. Ed

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Re: Lists/Table for Receptions
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2024, 02:52:09 PM »
Hi,
Yes, there's a receptions tab in medieval traditional chart. Some feedback:
1. When considering triplicity rulers, can there be option to include participating ruler?
2. Mutual Receptions and Mixed Receptions list does not differentiate whether theres aspect between the two
3. it doesn't really show "receptions", as it only lost planets that are in each others dignity, if dignity are same, in mutual, else in mixed. But e.g Moon in Capricorn, aspect with Saturn in Aries, Saturn receives Moon. But this reception won't be shown. Of cos one can note it from aspect table and then look at dignity table etc, but will be helpful if it's under receptions rightfully
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Re: Lists/Table for Receptions
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2024, 03:56:29 PM »
Hi there - thanks for the feedback -

1. I will look to including the participating rulers in the future.
2. The chart wheel is available on the same tab, so it is easy to check if there's an aspect between two planets in either type of reception.
3. The challenge with including all these nuances is proliferating complex code that then increases the chances of bugs and complicates the huge task of maintaining it all. In my view this is a simple check to identify the ruler (or otherwise) of a planet and then seeing if there's an aspect between the two. A script like Medieval Traditional Chart runs to 10000 lines of code so there's is a lot to keep bug free and working as efficiently as possible.

I've noted these suggestions for the future, but I have to give them a relatively low priority, due to higher priority work.

Thanks. Ed

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Re: Medieval Traditional Chart - Tabbed Format
« Reply #36 on: March 29, 2024, 10:35:19 AM »
Hi there - I have updated and made minor changes to the Medieval Traditional Chart format:

Horoscope-Medieval-Medieval Traditional chart: v.10.16 - triplicity rulers (triple) reintroduced, minor code improvements, added option of including detriment and fall to mutual and mixed receptions, help updated to reflect changes

Please update if you are a regular user of this module.

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Re: Lists/Table for Receptions
« Reply #37 on: March 29, 2024, 10:36:23 AM »
Hi there - see below:

Horoscope-Medieval-Medieval Traditional chart: v.10.16 - triplicity rulers (triple) reintroduced, minor code improvements, added option of including detriment and fall to mutual and mixed receptions, help updated to reflect changes

This addresses some of your suggestions. Many thanks for your interest in this module.

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Re: Lists/Table for Receptions
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2024, 08:30:21 AM »
Hi there - see below:

Horoscope-Medieval-Medieval Traditional chart: v.10.16 - triplicity rulers (triple) reintroduced, minor code improvements, added option of including detriment and fall to mutual and mixed receptions, help updated to reflect changes

This addresses some of your suggestions. Many thanks for your interest in this module.

Ed

Many thanks for the update!
Visually, the triplicity rulers are now shown in the dignities table. Hopefully, in future one can have the option to include the non sect ruler and pars ruler to be included in determination of the reception.

At the moment, as i work alot with receptions, the medieval definition, two tabs are open. the default tab which i like, the aspects table and the visual aspects in the inner circle, based on the medieval moiety. The aspects tab in the medieval trad module, looks complex, need some time to get used to. The second tab is the medieval trad chart, for the dignities table.

Reason for the second tab is because sometimes the planets are too close to the boundaries of either the terms or face, so have to turn to the table to check. Hence, my original post about the request to have the receptions listing.

For example, for today 31 Mar chart, the listing on receptions (strictly medieval definitions) will only show:
1. Moon (In Jup's Dom and Trip) and Jupiter (In Moon's Exalt, Trip, Face) in Mutual Generosity
2. Venus (In Jup's Dom) and Jupiter (Venus's Dom, Trip) in Mutual Generosity and Reception
3. Venus (In Mar's Trip, Terms, Face) and Mars (In Venus's Exalt, Trip, Face) in Mutual Generosity
4. Saturn received by Jupiter (Saturn in Jup's Dom, Terms, Face)
« Last Edit: March 31, 2024, 08:33:53 AM by starsgaze »

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Re: Medieval Traditional Chart - Tabbed Format
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2024, 09:39:12 AM »
Hi there - thanks for the feedback. Could you post some screenshots for me as I'm finding it difficult to visualise what you are looking at. Do you have two instances of the same module open?

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Re: Medieval Traditional Chart - Tabbed Format
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2024, 10:29:07 AM »
Apologies that i make it sound complicated :-[ I guess because of the word tab i used.
first screenshot is simply the two tabs usually i use. First tab is either the "startup" or the horoscope in question, which i like the ability of the software to customize the look and feel. The aspect table and aspect lines in the chart is much preferred for me than the aspects options of the medieval traditional module.
The second tab is the medieval traditional module, using the receptions option to check the dignity table.

Then next is the traditional pen and paper method of listing down the receptions/generosity of the chart based on medieval definitions.

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Re: Medieval Traditional Chart - Tabbed Format
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2024, 11:04:23 AM »
Hi there - thanks for the clarification. I understand what you are doing now. I think the first thing is to ensure that the contra-sect and participating rulers are included in the listing. I think I might have missed this on the latest update. I can then look at the reception question. (4. Saturn received by Jupiter (Saturn in Jup's Dom, Terms, Face).

I can then have a think about the aspects request.

The aspects tab is complicated, but I hope you will persist with this as it is a helpful way of seeing the moiety/orbs associated with the planets rather than aspects.

Ed

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Re: Medieval Traditional Chart - Tabbed Format
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2024, 11:31:53 AM »
Hi there - thanks for the clarification. I understand what you are doing now. I think the first thing is to ensure that the contra-sect and participating rulers are included in the listing. I think I might have missed this on the latest update. I can then look at the reception question. (4. Saturn received by Jupiter (Saturn in Jup's Dom, Terms, Face).

I can then have a think about the aspects request.

The aspects tab is complicated, but I hope you will persist with this as it is a helpful way of seeing the moiety/orbs associated with the planets rather than aspects.

Ed

Thanks!
Im not sure how many users of the medieval module actually based their receptions definition on medieval, i.e., lesser dignities (trip, term,face) requiring at least two. I also understand that generosity concept is not widespread. But since it's a module based on medieval astrology, I reckon the receptions could be strictly based on medieval rather than modern/Hellenistic.
Appreciate your effort!

I noted that the aspects options in medieval traditional module is rightly based on moiety, the medieval approach.
 I currently use the default module aspect lines and table chart because it's cleaner and visually straightforward, and I change the orbs in settings to follow the moiety/medieval.

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Re: Medieval Traditional Chart - Tabbed Format
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2024, 03:16:15 PM »
Hi Starsgaze - do you have a source for these definitions please. I may have the text and it would be helpful to refer to.

Can you provide definitions of the key concepts:

Mutual generosity
Reception

I know you have probably already given these but it would be helpful to have them precisely defined.

Do you count aspects only when Ptolemaic (and conjunction?) and within moiety and/or orb?

Thanks. Ed

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Re: Medieval Traditional Chart - Tabbed Format
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2024, 06:02:33 PM »
Hi there - how does this look to you? See screenshot attachment.

Ed