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Risto

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Valens' Lots of Eros and Necessity?
« on: July 05, 2024, 10:34:43 AM »
Hi! - Just asking where to find these and show them on chart in the Ed Greek module?

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Re: Valens' Lots of Eros and Necessity?
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2024, 07:45:08 PM »
Hi - thanks for your post. These variations aren't implemented in the Greek Horoscope module. Eros and Necessity are within the Hermetic Lots and the definitions are as follows:

Fortune: Ascendant + Moon - Sun,
Daimon (or Spirit): Ascendant + Sun - Moon,
Eros: Ascendant + Venus - Daimon,
Victory: Ascendant + Jupiter - Daimon,
Courage: Ascendant + Fortune - Mars,
Necessity: Ascendant + Fortune - Mercury,
Nemesis: Ascendant + Fortune - Saturn.

At night, the second and third factors in the calculation are reversed so, for example, Fortune becomes: Fortune: Ascendant + Sun - Moon.

There are variations for Eros and Necessity listed in the full list of lots on the left of the screen.

There are a couple of variations derived from Robert Schmidt's work for the Hermetic Lots. You can find more information in the help file on the Lots Analysis tab within the module.

Ed

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Re: Valens' Lots of Eros and Necessity?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2024, 01:10:52 PM »
Thanks for your answer, Ed! - But it seems to me now that Valens' Lots for Eros and Necessity have not been included into Planetdance. They are really even more basic Lots than Paulus' that bear the same name + are even of at least somewhat earlier origin. They are ultimately derived from the Sun and Moon, ie the Lights of the chart, via Lots of Fortune and Daimon. These four were thus the most important Lots for Valens, but for some reason they have been neglected within the current Hellenistic revival in favor of Paulus' Lots of the same name. As it happens, the Lot of Basis - which is available in Planetdance - does equal either Valens' Lot of Eros OR Lot of Necessity. I mainly use Valens' Eros and Necessity myself, which I have added to my Solar Fire calculations, but as their place / status is among the 4 most important Lots used by Valens, I think they deserve to be included in Planetdance, too.  :)

Please find descriptions and full calculation recipes for these Lots behind this link, starting from "The Lost Formulas of Love and Necessity": https://sevenstarsastrology.com/lots-introducing-four-principal-lots/

Thanks! -Risto V.
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Re: Valens' Lots of Eros and Necessity?
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2024, 02:55:12 PM »
Ok I will take a look. I will probably swap two existing lots for these as the coding to manage these lots is very complicated. I will see what I can do. Ed

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Re: Valens' Lots of Eros and Necessity?
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2024, 10:47:29 AM »
Thanks, Ed!

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Re: Valens' Lots of Eros and Necessity?
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2024, 03:47:44 PM »
Hi Risto - I've added these lots, in the end I added them so they can be put around the outside of the wheel. They are also in the various lists.

Can you send me your email via personal message on the forum and I will send you the pre-release version for you to test to make sure it is working as you expect.

Thanks. Ed

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Re: Valens' Lots of Eros and Necessity?
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2024, 07:53:42 PM »
Hi Risto - I've asked Jean to release this as an update. It should be available over the weekend.

v.19.282 - added two additional lots (love - valens) and (necessity - valens)

Thanks. Ed