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ABer

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Medieval Traditional Chart
« on: July 04, 2020, 04:43:06 PM »
Hi there - here is a sample of the latest work. An addition to the Medieval Traditional Chart showing transits, solar return and profections for the year and month. All in one handy window!

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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2020, 04:55:09 PM »
Looks great again Ed.
I even understand some of it myself haha.
Greetings from Groningen Netherlands.

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2020, 09:20:53 PM »
Thanks Jean - I think I'm going to do a solar return wheel too. This will be a big update to the medieval traditional chart module. Ed

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2020, 07:59:13 AM »
Update - solar return wheel

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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2020, 10:28:32 AM »
Hi - I'm adding new features to the medieval traditional chart module. This will now include a solar returns (solar revolutions) feature.

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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2020, 08:56:39 AM »
Further update - two charts showing direction positions. SR wheel shows annual directions of MC and Asc. Natal wheel shows primary directed positions of MC and asc for distribution through the bounds (MC - black dot), Asc (green dot). Profections positions for year and month shown (red dot - profected asc sign for year, blue dot - for month).

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« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2020, 03:13:46 PM »
These look like great additions to the module. :) Can we also have Chaldean bounds, please?

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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2020, 07:07:20 PM »
Should be easy by using the getbound() function,you'd only have to change the parameter Ed. :)
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2020, 07:36:07 PM »
Fantastisch Ed en Jean, mooie aanwinst weeral. Dank je wel!

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2020, 08:38:46 PM »
Thanks for the comments.

Sindy - in general I have used Egyptian and Ptolemaic bounds, from the Tetrabiblos. Do you have any reference for the Chaldean bounds so that I can put this in the help please. It should be possible to add Chaldean bounds fairly easily using Jean's function.

All the best. Ed

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« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2020, 09:12:40 PM »
Ptolemy also gives the Chaldaean terms/bounds, thought not in a table. He writes: "The Chaldaean method involves a sequence, simple, to be sure, and more plausible, though not so self-sufficient with respect to the government of the triangles and the disposition of quantity, so that, nevertheless, one could casily understand them even without a diagram. For in the first triplicity, Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius, which has with them the same division by signs as with the Egyptians, the lord of the triplicity, Jupiter, is the first to receive terms, then the lord of the next triangle, Venus, next the lord of the triangle of Gemini, Saturn, and Mercury, and finally the lord of the remaining triplicity, Mars. In the second triplicity, Taurus, Virgo, and Capricorn, which again has the same division by signs, Venus is first, then Saturn, and again Mercury, after these Mars, and finally Jupiter. This arrangement in general is observed also in the remaining two triplicities. Of the two lords of the same triplicity, however, Saturn and Mercury, by day Saturn takes the first place in the order of ownership, by night Mercury. The number assigned to each is also a simple matter. For in order that the number of terms of each planet may be less by One degree than the preceding, to correspond with the descending order in which first place is assigned, they always assign 8° to the first, 7° to the second, 6° to the third, 5° to the fourth, and 4° to the last; thus the 30° of a sign is made up. The sum of the number of degrees thus assigned to Saturn is 78 by day and 66 by night, to Jupiter 72, to Mars 69, to Venus 75, to Mercury 66 by day and 78 by night; the total is 360 degrees."

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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2020, 11:02:59 PM »
Thanks I've got them now, same chapter as the Egyptian, but as you say not presented in a table.

Latest screenshot.

Ed
« Last Edit: July 07, 2020, 11:05:48 PM by ABer »

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2020, 05:53:55 PM »
Sorry for the late reply. I wasn't able to respond sooner. Regarding to source texts for the Chaldean bounds I only know about Ptolemy (the passage Jan gave above). I've been searching for other sources but so far I wasn't able to find any. The sequence and logic of the Chaldean bounds is, however, so intriquing that I think there has to be more and perhaps even older sources than Ptolemy. What was Ptolemy's source? If anyone knows more, please let me know. I'm very much interested in investigating this further. :)

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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2020, 06:20:19 PM »
Thanks Sindy - I will incorporate these bounds into the medieval script, that will give Egyptian, Ptolemian, Chaldean and Lilly's variation on Ptolemy. Jan reminded me that the text was in Ptolemy, but I was looking for a table, not a textual description. I will be updating people about the work I am doing on developing these scripts through this forum as I don't do Facebook. Thanks. Ed

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2020, 06:53:07 PM »
Thanks, Ed!  :) Oh, I forgot... A table displaying the Chaldean bounds can be found on this site: https://www.google.com/amp/s/altairastrology.wordpress.com/2009/03/01/more-on-the-terms-or-bounds/amp/